I will agree with you about the use of the "troph of prison rape and abuse." But this is in line with what Roy said about his admiration of prison life, the stronger over the weaker made sense to him. Turns out Lorraine has ways of using that to her advantage. Bullys got to bully and Roy is going to understand what that actually feels li…
I will agree with you about the use of the "troph of prison rape and abuse." But this is in line with what Roy said about his admiration of prison life, the stronger over the weaker made sense to him. Turns out Lorraine has ways of using that to her advantage. Bullys got to bully and Roy is going to understand what that actually feels like. Lorraine is a bigger bully by virtue of having more money than Roy. She uses debts to encourage others to work for her.
What matters on how one defines weakness and strength. We can see this in the final scene of Bisquik. Joy and love can overcome. Some debts can be forgiven? Maybe?
I understood what they were saying thematically with Roy's fate, and the writing and Hamm certainly did a lot of work to make Tillman so utterly deserving of hate that it's hard to have sympathy for him no matter what befalls him. But the scene still played into this idea that prison is filled with horrible people like Roy and they treat each other horribly especially with systematic sexual abuse etc., an idea popularized by "The Shawshank Redemption" and "Oz". In reality prison is filled with tons of people who never killed anyone or did anything violent (You don't get to "mass" incarceration just locking up the iredeemables like Roy) and the vast majority of the abuse inside comes from guards and other staff. In fact, it would've rung more true if Lorraine had forgiven some prison guards their debts in exchange for being "exta-attentive" to Roy. They're the ones who have all the power inside
That go little bit hand in hand with Fargo's view of policing. This is really first time we see corrupt cops. Generally everyone from Colin Hanks' aspiring mailman in first season to Deputies Farr and Olmstead in this one are well-meaning folks who put on badge out of genuine desire to help, and that really not square with anything we know about policing in real life.
But me also understand that show needed way for Lorraine to turn tables on Roy, and prison was way to do that, and denying parole not really enough on that score.
You are correct there. It is a major reason why cops are truly scared about ending up in prison. They put other people there. And might be why there is a reluctance to find police officers guilty.
I understand this in a broader view. Roy starts out telling Lorraine he likes it there because in prison, there is the kind of sorting out where groups form and the stronger ones can rule over the weak ones. Lorraine turns that on him by letting him know he isn't the strongest one. She is. A woman! She is going to make sure he feels the Fear, Pain, Shame that he has meted out to women in his life. The worst thing a man like Roy Tillman can feel is being treated like he treated the women in his life.
And remember, he.was a powerful County Sheriff with over the top powers that made his constituents fear him. I'm thinking of the scene where he is taking Dot out of the hospital and the woman at the desk was truly afraid of him because he knew something about her and her loved ones that he was holding over her.
I will agree with you about the use of the "troph of prison rape and abuse." But this is in line with what Roy said about his admiration of prison life, the stronger over the weaker made sense to him. Turns out Lorraine has ways of using that to her advantage. Bullys got to bully and Roy is going to understand what that actually feels like. Lorraine is a bigger bully by virtue of having more money than Roy. She uses debts to encourage others to work for her.
What matters on how one defines weakness and strength. We can see this in the final scene of Bisquik. Joy and love can overcome. Some debts can be forgiven? Maybe?
I understood what they were saying thematically with Roy's fate, and the writing and Hamm certainly did a lot of work to make Tillman so utterly deserving of hate that it's hard to have sympathy for him no matter what befalls him. But the scene still played into this idea that prison is filled with horrible people like Roy and they treat each other horribly especially with systematic sexual abuse etc., an idea popularized by "The Shawshank Redemption" and "Oz". In reality prison is filled with tons of people who never killed anyone or did anything violent (You don't get to "mass" incarceration just locking up the iredeemables like Roy) and the vast majority of the abuse inside comes from guards and other staff. In fact, it would've rung more true if Lorraine had forgiven some prison guards their debts in exchange for being "exta-attentive" to Roy. They're the ones who have all the power inside
That go little bit hand in hand with Fargo's view of policing. This is really first time we see corrupt cops. Generally everyone from Colin Hanks' aspiring mailman in first season to Deputies Farr and Olmstead in this one are well-meaning folks who put on badge out of genuine desire to help, and that really not square with anything we know about policing in real life.
But me also understand that show needed way for Lorraine to turn tables on Roy, and prison was way to do that, and denying parole not really enough on that score.
You are correct there. It is a major reason why cops are truly scared about ending up in prison. They put other people there. And might be why there is a reluctance to find police officers guilty.
I understand this in a broader view. Roy starts out telling Lorraine he likes it there because in prison, there is the kind of sorting out where groups form and the stronger ones can rule over the weak ones. Lorraine turns that on him by letting him know he isn't the strongest one. She is. A woman! She is going to make sure he feels the Fear, Pain, Shame that he has meted out to women in his life. The worst thing a man like Roy Tillman can feel is being treated like he treated the women in his life.
And remember, he.was a powerful County Sheriff with over the top powers that made his constituents fear him. I'm thinking of the scene where he is taking Dot out of the hospital and the woman at the desk was truly afraid of him because he knew something about her and her loved ones that he was holding over her.